♪ ♪>>Jimmy: WHAT’S GOIN’ ON?>>AH.>>Jimmy: YOU HAVE A VERY VARIED CAREER, YOU REALLY DO. DID YOU IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE THE CASE WHEN YOU WENT TO LAW SCHOOL?>>NO.>>Jimmy: YOU DID NOT?>>NO, I THOUGHT I WOULD PROBABLY BE A LAWYER AND BE MISERABLE.>>Jimmy: AND THEY LOOKED AT YOU AND SAID THIS GUY IS TOO HANDSOME TO JUST BE A LAWYER, WE MUST GET HIM INVOLVED IN OTHER THINGS.>>OH, NO. HE BEGGED AND PLEADED, WORKED AT A STATION WHERE I STARTED AS A PRODUCTION ASSISTANT, EVEN THOUGH I HAD A LAW DEGREE AND COULD HAVE GONE TO A LAW FIRM AND JUST WENT FROM THERE.>>Jimmy: IS YOUR FAMILY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT IDEA?>>YEAH. SORT OF CAUTIOUSLY SUPPORTIVE. I MEAN, THEY WERE CONCERNED. THEY THOUGHT OH, YOU KNOW, OUR BOY’S A LAWYER! ISN’T THAT GREAT? AND NOW HE’S GOING INTO TV.>>Jimmy: YEAH.>>AND THAT’S NOT SO GREAT. BUT NEVERTHELESS, THEY SUPPORTED IT.>>Jimmy: SO THIS BOOK. LET’S TALK ABOUT THE BOOK. THIS IS A TRIAL FROM 1770, SHORTLY AFTER THE BOSTON MASSACRE, WHICH IS SOMETHING TO ME, THE LAKERS/CELTICS GAME. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE ACTUAL BOSTON MASSACRE. EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED.>>THIS IS AN INCIDENT THAT ALMOST LED TO THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION BEFORE THE REVOLUTION. THERE WERE FIVE COLONISTS SHOT AND KILLED BY BRITISH SOLDIERS WHO WERE THERE. THERE WAS A LOT OF TENSION GOING ON. THE COLONISTS DIDN’T WANT THE BRITISH SOLDIERS THERE. THIS WAS THAT MOMENT THAT ALMOST LED TO THE BIG FIGHT. WHY DIDN’T IT HAPPEN? BECAUSE OF THIS TRIAL. BECAUSE THE RULE OF LAW PREVAILED. AND YOU HAD THIS CASE WHERE WE HAVE A TRANSCRIPT. I MEAN, FROM 1770, WITH JOHN ADAMS, REPRESENTING THE BRITISH SOLDIERS. REMEMBER, THIS IS A PATRIOT, SOMEONE WHO DESPISED IN MANY WAYS THE BRITISH SOLDIERS AND BRITISH, BUT FELT THEY WERE ENTITLED TO A LEGAL DEFENSE, AND HE LED THE DEFENSE TEAM IN A FASCINATING CASE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S SO AMAZING TO ME IS BEING ABLE TO SEE JOHN ADAMS IN HIS OWN WORDS. IT WASN’T A SPEECH, WASN’T PREPARED. IT’S JUST ADAMS IN COURT, DEFENDING THESE SOLDIERS.>>Jimmy: WHEN YOU SAY A TRANSCRIPT, THIS IS A GUY DIPPING AND WRITING AS FAST AS HE CAN?>>AND HIS HAND GOT SO TIRED AT ONE POINT BY THE END OF THE CASE THAT HE HAD TO STOP AND ASK THE PROSECUTION TO COME AND TELL HIM WHAT THEY HAD SAID AGAIN.>>Jimmy: REALLY?>>SO HE COULD REWRITE IT. BECAUSE BY THE END, BY THE CLOSING ARGUMENTS, HIS HAND WAS SO WORN OUT. ALSO THEY HADN’T REALLY PERFECTED SHORTHAND OR ANY OF THE THINGS WE KNOW TODAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND SO AMAZING WAS BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT 217-PAGE TRANSCRIPT.>>Jimmy: HAVE YOU SEEN THE ACTUAL OR A COPY OF THE ACTUAL TEXT?>>A COPY OF IT BUT NOT THE ACTUAL, I DIDN’T GET THE ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT ITSELF. BUT THE COPY OF IT, IT’S HAND WRITTEN, AND IN THE BEGINNING OF THE BOOK WE HAVE EXCERPTS FROM THE ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT. >>Jimmy: OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE ARE USED TO TRANSCRIPTS AT THE TRIAL. BUT AT THE HARVEY WEINSTEIN TRIAL, THE GUY DRAWING PICTURING OF HARVEY WEINSTEIN AND HIS PRIVATE PARTS.>>IN THAT CASE THERE WAS NO CAMERA ALLOWED. I THINK BASED ON WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IT WAS PROBABLY FOR THE BEST IN MANY WAYS. BUT YOU’D GET A SKETCH ARTIST WHO COMES IN AND DRAWS PICTURES OF WHAT’S HAPPENING INSIDE COURT.>>Jimmy: AS A LEGAL ANALYST, SO HARVEY WEINSTEIN GOT CONVICTED ON TWO OF THE FIVE CHARGES.>>YEAH.>>Jimmy: WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THAT?>>I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED BUT NOT IN THE SAME WAY A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED. THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING I CAN’T BELIEVE HE DIDN’T GET CONVICTED OF ALL THE CHARGES, WHAT HAPPENED? I THINK PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING, THEY’RE TREATING THIS AS IF ALL THE VICTIMS WE’VE SEEN ON THE COVERS OF MAGAZINES, ON THE WEBSITES, THAT THIS WAS ABOUT ALL OF THEM. THIS WASN’T. THIS WAS ABOUT TWO WOMEN, BOTH OF WHOM HAD HAD RELATIONSHIPS WITH HIM, EITHER FRIENDSHIP OR INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH HEM BEF HIM, BEFORE OR AFTER THE INCIDENT. THIS MADE IT A TOUGH CASE. THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET CONVICTIONS ON BOTH OF THESE WOMEN MAKES IT A GROUND BREAKING CASE. WHY, BECAUSE WE’RE FINALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT RAPE CAN BE. IT DOESN’T NEED TO BE A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE IMMEDIATELY CALLS THE POLICE. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT REACTIONS BY WOMEN. AND AN EXPERT CAME IN FOR THE PROSECUTION AND TALKED ABOUT THIS. AND THE FACT THAT THESE JURORS WERE ABLE TO UNANIMOUSLY CONVICT, DESPITE ISSUES THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE PASSED TEN YEARS AGO, I THINK IF THAT CASE HAD BEEN BROUGHT TEN YEARS AGO THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AND CONVICTION.>>Jimmy: INTERESTING.>>BUT PEOPLE NOW UNDERSTAND BETTER THAT RAPE VICTIMS RESPOND IN DIFFERENT WAYS, AND JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE STAYED IN TOUCH WITH HIM AFTER THE FACT DOES NOT MEAN SHE WASN’T RAPED.>>Jimmy: INTERESTING. [ APPLAUSE ]>>Jimmy: AND IN A WAY, JOHN ADAMS TAKING THE POSITION OF DEFENDING THOSE BRITISH SOLDIERS IS SIMILAR IN SOME WAYS TO HARVEY WEINSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS DEFENDING HIM.>>LOOK, HARVEY WEINSTEIN IS ENTITLED TO A DEFENSE. I DON’T BEGRUDGE HARVEY WEINSTEIN’S ATTORNEYS FOR TAKING THE CASE. THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE ARGUMENTS. THE QUESTION BECOMES, THE TOUGHER QUESTION IN SOME OF THESE CASES, BECOMES WHEN THEY GO AFTER THE VICTIMS AND HOW HARD THEY GO AFTER THE VICTIMS, CAN WE JUDGE THE LAWYERS IN THOSE KINDS OF CASES? AND IT’S A TRICKY QUESTION, BECAUSE THE DEFENSE HAS TO BE, YOU CAN’T BELIEVE THE ACCUSER, RIGHT? THE DEFENSE IS, IT WAS EITHER CONSENSUAL OR DIDN’T HAPPEN, ET CETERA. AND SO A DEFENSE ATTORNEY HAS TO PRESENT A DEFENSE, BUT, THERE’S ALSO, YOU KNOW, A PARTICULARLY UGLY WAY TO DO IT. THAT SOME ATTORNEYS DO IT.>>Jimmy: MM-HM.>>AND I THINK SOME OF THEM DO CROSS THE LINE. AND I THINK THEY DO DESERVE, SOME OF THEM, CONDEMNATION.>>Jimmy: I WANT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT VERY QUICKLY TO “”LIVE PD.”” WAS THIS YOUR IDEA?>>NO. I WISH IT WAS.>>Jimmy: I DON’T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW IT CAME TO BE. HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN “LIVE PD”? [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] IT IS BASICALLY, IT’S VERY SIMILAR TO “COPS”, EXCEPT IT’S LIVE, AND IT’S HAPPENING IN HOW MANY CITIES AT ONCE?>>WE’RE IN AT LEAST EIGHT DEPARTMENTS AT ONCE, AND WE’RE BOUNCING FROM DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENT, BASED ON WHAT’S HAPPENING, WHERE THERE’S ACTIVITY, AND IT RANGES FROM EVERYTHING FROM REALLY SERIOUS CASES, SHOTS FIRED, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES TO MUCH LIGHTER. I MEAN, THIS WEEKEND WE HAD A GUY WHO WAS SPOTTED BUCK-NAKED OUTSIDE OF SOMEONE’S HOME. IT TURNS OUT HE’D BEEN FOOLING AROUND WITH A WOMAN AND THE BOYFRIEND CAME BACK. AND HE RAN OUT, AND HE’S BUCK-NAKED OUT THERE, AND MY FAVORITE LINE WAS, WHEN THE POLICE COME, AND HE SAID, WELL, THEY DIDN’T TELL ME THAT HE WAS GOING TO COME BACK. AS IF THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU THE HEADS UP, OH, YEAH, BY THE WAY, THE BOYFRIEND’S COMING BACK.>>Jimmy: DO A BROTHER — >>YEAH, EVERYONE’S OKAY IN THAT SITUATION.>>Jimmy: AND YOU GUYS, WHEN THIS IS HAPPENING LIVE, ARE YOU CELEBRATING, LIKE, OH, MY GOD, BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE IF SOMEONE CAME AND PITCHED THIS TO ME, I’D SAY, WHAT IF NOTHING HAPPENS ALL NIGHT?>>THERE’S NEVER NOTHING HAPPENING. SOMETIMES IT’S JUST CARS BEING PULLED OVER ON TRAFFIC STOPS.>>Jimmy: THERE’S DRAMA THERE, TOO.>>YOU DOEDON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOI HAPPEN NEXT. UNLIKE “COPS”, WHICH IS LIKE A HIGHLIGHT REEL.>>Jimmy: LET’S NOT DENIGRATE COPS. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU.>>THERE’S BEEN A COUPLE TIMES WHEN “LIVE PD’S” BEEN OUT AND YOU HEAR SOMEONE IN THE BACKGROUND SINGING “THE COPS” SHOW.>>Jimmy: THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE.>>IT’S REALLY BEEN AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE TO WATCH. YOU REALLY DO GET TO SEE IF FROM THE POLICE OFFICER’S PERSPECTIVE. YOU SEE MUCH MORE EVERY DAY WHAT POLICE OFFICERS GO THROUGH. IN THE NEWS BUSINESS WE COVER OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, IT USUALLY HAS AN OFFICER FIRES OR AN OFFICER HAS BEEN HIT. AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF POLICE OFFICERS HAVE NEVER FIRED THEIR WEAPONS, EVER. AND THIS IS MORE THE DAY TO DAY ASPECTS OF WHAT POLICE OFFICERS DO EVERY DAY, AND THAT’S WHAT THE SHOW REFLECTS. SOMEHOW IT’S BECOME A BIG HIT.>>Jimmy: A REASON FOR PEOPLE NOT TO GO OUT ON THE WEEKENDS
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